If faced with charizard, gyarados, or dragonite, I will t wave without waiting for a mega evolution or substitue.

Ice beam is deployed on flying teams, especially if they don't have a good answer to it. This includes a lot of pokemon, but the most important are kyurem and volcarona. Against potential scarf mon's or generally annoying special attackers, thunderwave is the first move. Generally it will have been knocked down to sash right there. Spikes are used on non flying/dragon teams. A sub disable gengar simply dosen't fit the needs of the team, and while a full LO or 3attacks+dbond is fun, I like being able to gamble on opponets trying to save mons by switching out and to heap extra abuse against things like t-wave chaney.įroslass's lead game seems like it can be played around, but the more knowledge an opponet has of what it SHOULD carry, the more effective it becomes against them.

I played around with different gengar sets, since they are all very fun, but Kept running into a couple recurring problems. mostly because my hazards will greatly outdamage theirs if they give me a third turn that way. I still wanted to do lasting damage before it died, so I gave it thunderwave, and I haven't actually suffered too much from cheeky things trying to set up alongside it. My initial experience with frosslas was that many players ASSUMED it would have taunt and d bond as a matter of course, and would attack and then always switch out after bringing it down to sash so that they could use a priority mon or something with wisp/toxic/leech seed to finish it off. The first major change was aegislash, who I made into a specially defensive tank still able to attack after will o wisp, and still get 3HKOs on hazard setters that like to use it as set up bait like skarmory.

My original frosslass was essentially taunt, d bond, spikes, ice beam. Obviously, I had the benefit of ORAS, so there was no need to use normal sableye(although the confide and taunt days were sexy, having a way to play around two of your biggest problems wins out). Even in the beginning, I had chandelure>golurk. I based my ghost team off of an old user called fluffyxtreme, which you can see here.

Flying dragons vs ghost shadows